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02/03/2012 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES


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03:33:24 PM Start
03:34:00 PM North Slope Facility Sharing Study
04:44:53 PM North Slope Facilities Capacities and Expansion Technologies || New Developments in Upstream Oil and Gas
05:12:08 PM Adjourn
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+ teleconferenced
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+ North Slope of Alaska Facility Sharing Study by TELECONFERENCED
Petrotechnical Resources Alaska (PRA)
- Tom Walsh, Managing Partner, PRA
North Slope Facilities Capacities and Expansion &
Technologies
New Developments in Upstream Oil and Gas
- Bill Barron, Director, Division of Oil and Gas,
DNR
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        February 3, 2012                                                                                        
                           3:33 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Joe Paskvan, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Thomas Wagoner, Co-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Presentation: North Slope of Alaska Facility Sharing Study by                                                                   
Thomas Walsh, Petrotechnical Resources Alaska                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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Presentation: North Slope facilities, Capacities and Expansion                                                                  
Technologies/New Developments in Upstream Oil and Gas by Bill                                                                   
Barron, Director, Division of Oil and Gas, Department of Natural                                                                
Resources                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
THOMAS WALSH, Managing partner                                                                                                  
Petrotechnical Resources Alaska (PRA)                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave presentation on North Slope facility                                                                 
sharing study.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BILL BARRON, Director                                                                                                           
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave presentation  on North Slope  Facilities                                                            
and Capacities and Expansion and Technologies.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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3:33:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  JOE   PASKVAN  called  the  Senate   Resources  Standing                                                            
Committee meeting  to order  at 3:33 p.m.  Present at the  call to                                                              
order  were  Senators  French,   Wielechowski,  Stevens,  Co-Chair                                                              
Wagoner  and   Co-Chair  Paskvan.   Senator  Stedman   joined  the                                                              
committee a minute later.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
              ^North Slope Facility Sharing Study                                                                           
               North Slope Facility Sharing Study                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:34:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN  said the  purpose  of  today's meeting  was  to                                                              
learn  about  the  North  Slope Facility  Sharing  Study  and  new                                                              
upstream  developments in  order  to move  production forward.  He                                                              
said the study  was originally released in 2004  by Petrotechnical                                                              
Resources Alaska  (PRA) and  from it he  hoped to learn  about the                                                              
historical and current  water and gas handling  constraints on the                                                              
North  Slope. These  issues  must be  advanced  and understood  in                                                              
order to  have the  full spectrum  of reasons  why the  decline in                                                              
Alaska's oil  production began  in 1989  and is continuing  today.                                                              
They  cannot  talk  about  North   Slope  oil  production  without                                                              
talking about  the scientific  and engineering  facts of  both the                                                              
below  ground reservoir  and the  above  ground infrastructure  in                                                              
addition to the economic variables.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  invited Mr.  Walsh to  present the study  noting                                                              
that he was one  of the authors. He also noted  that Director Bill                                                              
Barron would follow  Mr. Walsh's presentation with  an analysis of                                                              
where the  state is now on  these issues. And time  permitting, he                                                              
would  also speak  about a  few of  the exciting  advances in  oil                                                              
drilling  and  extraction  technology.   He  also  hoped  to  hear                                                              
directly from the  industry regarding their  current understanding                                                              
of facility sharing  and processing facility constraints  and what                                                              
might  be  understood   about  debottlenecking  issues   that  are                                                              
important for the central North Slope.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:37:02 PM                                                                                                                    
THOMAS WALSH,  Managing partner,  Petrotechnical Resources  Alaska                                                              
(PRA), said  he is the founder of  PRA, an oil and  gas consulting                                                              
firm  in Anchorage,  and  that they  had  been  in business  since                                                              
1997.  Their  clients  are  major  oil  companies,  the  State  of                                                              
Alaska, the federal  government, the Native corporations,  and the                                                              
independent oil companies.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH said  he was  a little  taken aback  thinking that  the                                                              
report was seven  years old and he  did a little catch  up, but he                                                              
hoped  the slides  would be  of some  interest and  value for  the                                                              
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN noted  the presence  of Senator  Giessel in  the                                                              
audience.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH said  he is a geophysicist  and had spent the  last 8 to                                                              
10  years  doing  project  management  and this  is  the  type  of                                                              
project that he enjoys getting involved in.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WAGONER asked who commissioned the study.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH replied  the Alaska  Department  of Natural  Resources,                                                              
Division of  Oil and Gas, commissioned  the study in May  2004. He                                                              
said the  study concluded  that facility  sharing is critical  for                                                              
the future  of the  oil and gas  industry on  the North  Slope. He                                                              
also noted that the report had not been updated.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:41:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  asked why  the legislature  was just  receiving a                                                              
2004  report and  if  it had  been  presented  to the  legislature                                                              
before.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  replied the  report was  delivered with a  presentation                                                              
to  the  Division  of  Oil  and  Gas  in  2004,  but  not  to  the                                                              
legislature.  It  has been  published  on the  division's  website                                                              
since  2004 and was  prominently  displayed on  the home page.  He                                                              
explained  further that the  motivation for  preparing this  study                                                              
was to  look at the  existing production  facilities on  the North                                                              
Slope that  produce oil and separate  gas and water from  that oil                                                              
and eventually transport  that oil through the  pipeline system to                                                              
the market.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:42:40 PM                                                                                                                    
He said  existing facilities have  been established over  the last                                                              
30 years  on the  North Slope and  have produced  a great  deal of                                                              
hydrocarbon.  Increasing third  party access  to those  facilities                                                              
to  increase  production  on  the  North  Slope  was  the  guiding                                                              
principle behind the study.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN  asked  by  third   party  access  if  he  meant                                                              
potential producers other than the big three oil companies.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  answered yes  - independent  exploration and  potential                                                              
production companies  that are not owners of  those facilities. He                                                              
said they wanted  to avoid regulation of facilities  access and it                                                              
was felt  the opportunity for  access was available  because there                                                              
was interest  on all sides  for that occur  and he  still believed                                                              
that.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Another  motivation  for the  study  was  to  develop a  fair  and                                                              
equitable  sharing process  for  North Slope  facilities access  -                                                              
implying  that the  owners  of those  facilities  need to  benefit                                                              
from offering  the opportunity to  utilize the facilities  as well                                                              
as the  third party  producers that  would like  to process  their                                                              
liquids there  but aren't  an owner of  the facilities.  The State                                                              
of Alaska  was also interested  in seeing conservation  measures -                                                              
no  wasting of  resources and  development  in an  environmentally                                                              
safe  manner as  well as  benefiting  from the  production of  the                                                              
hydrocarbons.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  said achieving  mutual  benefit for  all  parties and  getting                                                              
information   out   about   the  existing   facilities   and   the                                                              
opportunities  for  sharing  them  and the  constraints  were  all                                                              
drivers behind the project.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH  said  the  project  goals  were  to  characterize  the                                                              
existing facilities  including exploration activities  in 2004 and                                                              
the facilities  and pipelines  that have  been constructed  across                                                              
the North  Slope. He  would show where  facilities exist  and peel                                                              
the  layers of  the onion  back  to determine  what components  go                                                              
into  those  facilities  all  the   way  down  to  the  separation                                                              
facilities,  the vessels,  the pipelines,  the wells  and all  the                                                              
other assorted assets.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:46:46 PM                                                                                                                    
Another  goal was  to  tabulate the  current  throughput of  those                                                              
facilities,  something that  was partially  gained through  Alaska                                                              
Oil   and  Gas   Conservation   Commission   (AOGCC)  files,   but                                                              
information from  flow stations  and gathering centers  really has                                                              
to come from the  operators. So, this was something  that from the                                                              
very beginning  was going  to require  significant input  from the                                                              
owner companies of those facilities.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:47:22 PM                                                                                                                    
Another goal of  the study was to quantify  theoretical capacities                                                              
from design specifications  of the facilities and  from the owners                                                              
and operators  of the  companies. Then  to identify, quantify  and                                                              
market excess capacity  - the idea being to get the  word out that                                                              
these  facilities do  exist and  there may be  excess capacity  in                                                              
one or  more of them. Independents  have always had  concerns here                                                              
about access  to land, to data  and to production  facilities. Not                                                              
a lot  of people understand  this, and  it was about  getting that                                                              
information  out to  them so it  would hopefully  attract  them to                                                              
come and explore on the North Slope.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Then  the study  was  to identify  the needs  and  desires of  the                                                              
independent  explorers and  producers  as well  as  the needs  and                                                              
desires of  the North  Slope facility  owners/operators -  and try                                                              
to get  everyone on the  same page and  create a dialogue  whereby                                                              
people could start negotiating for facility access.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Another goal  was to  describe how facility  access is  managed in                                                              
other  oil and  gas provinces.  They looked  at a  Canadian and  a                                                              
Norway  example and  created guideline  principles for  facilities                                                              
sharing negotiations  for North Slope potential producers  and for                                                              
facility access on the North Slope.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:49:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WALSH said the parties impacted by the issues are:                                                                          
-the major  oil companies  (that own the  facilities on  the North                                                              
Slope) currently producing and operating on the North Slope,                                                                    
-potential  third  party  producers   attempting  to  explore  and                                                              
develop on the North Slope                                                                                                      
-the   State  of   Alaska   as   a  shareholder   (who   obviously                                                              
commissioned this report)                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:50:24 PM                                                                                                                    
One of  the benefits  of facilities  access is  it would  mitigate                                                              
North  Slope  oil decline  by  including  independents,  basically                                                              
bringing  in more  low gas  cut and  water cut  oil. He  explained                                                              
that  all  barrels  of  oil  produced   on  the  North  Slope  and                                                              
typically  around the  world have  a  component of  water and  gas                                                              
associated with  them. If you have  a means of exporting  gas, you                                                              
sell that  gas and  the water typically  is recycled  and injected                                                              
back into  the ground to  keep reservoir  pressure up to  keep the                                                              
oil flowing  out. At the current  time, Prudhoe Bay  production is                                                              
very high in gas  content, about 9 bcf/day is coming  out with the                                                              
oil  and that  gets  stripped out.  As  these  fields mature,  the                                                              
amount of water  that is produced  with the oil and the  amount of                                                              
gases produced  with the  oil are increasing  while the  amount of                                                              
oil is decreasing.  So they get what is called  high gas/oil ratio                                                              
(GOR) oil and high water cut oil.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN asked  what the ratios were in 1980  and how they                                                              
are expected to change over time scientifically.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH replied  that he  didn't  have the  initial ratios  for                                                              
Prudhoe or  Kuparuk, but the average  barrel of oil has  a gas cut                                                              
of 20,000 standard  cubic feet of gas; when Prudhoe  first came on                                                              
line  that number  would have  been significantly  less. So,  when                                                              
gas comes to the  surface something has to be done  with it and at                                                              
Prudhoe it's re-injecting it into the field.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:55:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  said it's critical to understand  why throughput                                                              
of  oil began  to decline  in the  first  place and  asked him  to                                                              
explain that.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH  answered  that basically  fields  and  facilities  are                                                              
designed to maximize  throughput to commercially  develop a field.                                                              
So  you build  your  facilitates  to reach  a  certain plateau  of                                                              
production that  you will try  to extend for  as long as  you can,                                                              
and the facilities  are constrained by that initial  oil flow. You                                                              
want to maximize  that oil flow up front and  typically build your                                                              
facilities to  handle that. At  some point several  things happen;                                                              
two critical  ones are that  your oil volume  has been  reduced to                                                              
the  state that  it  is now  depleting  and declining.  The  other                                                              
constraints are  on handling water and  gas and you reach  a point                                                              
where  capacity  of  the  original facility  to  handle  those  is                                                              
exceeded.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He said there  have been numerous expansions of  facilities at all                                                              
of the  major producing assets  on the  North Slope and  even with                                                              
those  expansions,  constraints  will  be  reached  again  in  the                                                              
future. Then it  becomes an issue of getting to a  point where you                                                              
have invested  so much that you  just continue using  the facility                                                              
without replacing  major structures  - much like  using up  an old                                                              
car by  putting  in oil and  gas but  not replacing  the body.  At                                                              
that  point, all  the  future investments  are  for continuing  to                                                              
accelerate production  not to create new oil - you  just allow for                                                              
cycling  of more  gas and water  that  will bring  the oil to  the                                                              
surface faster. There is no new oil or new added value.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:59:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WALSH's  said handling  gas  and water is  expensive and  that                                                              
sharing  facilities  reduces  unit  operating  and  transportation                                                              
costs. He  explained that  bringing in new  oil that  doesn't have                                                              
as much  gas and  water needing  to be  separated and  re-injected                                                              
lowers the lifting cost, because.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Another benefit  is that sharing  facilities extends  the economic                                                              
field life for  mature fields. He explained that  eventually every                                                              
field gets  to the point where you  really can't get any  more oil                                                              
out  and  you've  reached  your  economic limit.  If  new  oil  is                                                              
brought in,  it will extend  that base  production as well  as add                                                              
new production to those facilities and extend field life.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He explained  how it could  also accelerate new  field development                                                              
if  third-party  explorers  and  producers were  able  to  shorten                                                              
their cycle time  by making a discovery right next  to a producing                                                              
asset. One-mile  pieces of  three phase pipeline  could be  put in                                                              
and things  could turn  around a  lot faster than  if you  have to                                                              
build an entire new facility.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Maximizing   resource   exploitation   is  another   benefit   and                                                              
gathering  up all the  satellite  pools around  Prudhoe is  a good                                                              
example of  that. Many  companies are doing  that; a  good example                                                              
is Jim Weeks  with Ultrastar Exploration that is  getting ready to                                                              
drill  its third  well  north of  Prudhoe Bay.  The  size of  that                                                              
prospect  is such that  it would  not really  make sense  to build                                                              
new facilities  and it makes more  sense to just  bring production                                                              
through  existing facilities.  So,  that resource  probably  could                                                              
not  be exploited  without  the opportunity  to  use the  existing                                                              
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  interjected that  many people are  interested in                                                              
whether  Prudhoe  and  Kuparuk  have  reached  the  end  of  their                                                              
economic life.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH replied  that is the subject  of much debate  and he had                                                              
a schematic  slide of the production  decline curve and  said that                                                              
Director  Barron would  address that,  as well,  with more  recent                                                              
production  decline  information.   Certainly  the  operators  and                                                              
owners of  Prudhoe Bay have  said there is  a lot left  to produce                                                              
there  but  every  barrel  gets more  expensive  to  develop.  But                                                              
Prudhoe  Bay is  not at  the end  of its  commercial life  either;                                                              
neither is Kuparuk.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  said  there   is  a  lot  more  to  be  gained   through  this                                                              
synergistic  approach and  potential for  facilities sharing.  The                                                              
owners would  like to  extend field  life and  the value  of their                                                              
assets  into the  future  and they  see  that opportunity  through                                                              
offering their facilities to other producers.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:02:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WAGONER  asked if  Ultrastar  has a  facilities  sharing                                                              
agreement.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  answered yes; it has  a joinder agreement  with Prudhoe                                                              
Bay owners that  was negotiated years ago before the  first of the                                                              
three  wells was  drilled.  That  agreement is  one  example of  a                                                              
successful  negotiation process.  Some of its  details are  yet to                                                              
be  determined, because  oil hasn't  been brought  to the  surface                                                              
yet that  Ultrastar  can bring to  the facilities.  And until  you                                                              
know the  quality and  the specifications  of  the oil, you  can't                                                              
come up with the final terms.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He went to the  next benefit that is in everyone's  interest which                                                              
is  to minimize  waste/footprint.  Directional  drilling from  one                                                              
small pad is  the first thing that  comes to mind and  then making                                                              
pads smaller and  smaller. It makes sense to  reduce the footprint                                                              
and if  that can be done  through existing facilities  rather than                                                              
building new facilities that is certainly a benefit.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:04:29 PM                                                                                                                    
Another slide  showed the benefits  of flattening out  the lifting                                                              
cost  curve  and  production  decline curve  by  bringing  in  new                                                              
production. The next  slide showed a schematic of  growing the pie                                                              
through facilities  access on  the North Slope.  The idea  is that                                                              
there  are three major  owners of  facilities  on the North  Slope                                                              
with a lot of  smaller partners and a given volume  of oil that is                                                              
being  produced  through  them.  If they  can  provide  access  to                                                              
potential  third-party  producers  the number  of  producers  will                                                              
grow and  the whole  pie will grow  by bringing  new oil  into the                                                              
system,  hopefully  without  disrupting   the  oil  flow  that  is                                                              
currently being produced by the owner companies.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:07:41 PM                                                                                                                    
He  recognized some  challenges;  one  was to  overcome  unaligned                                                              
interests. This was  a driving force for DOG in  desiring to carry                                                              
out  this study.  There  were  comments by  independent  companies                                                              
saying they  would like to get  access to the facilities  and they                                                              
didn't  know   how  to   do  that.  Some   folks  who   were  very                                                              
knowledgeable, Jim Weeks  is one who used to be  vice president of                                                              
Arco, and  now he  is on the  other side of  the table,  knew what                                                              
the issues  were for  the operating  and owner  companies  and was                                                              
able to  speak their language.  He didn't  need this report  to go                                                              
and negotiate  his facilities access,  but a lot of  people didn't                                                              
have  that  experience.  The  idea  here  was  to  overcome  those                                                              
unaligned interests by educating people on what the factors are.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:08:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if  the issue  of sharing  facilities                                                              
problem had been overcome.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  replied that  he had several  examples of  where people                                                              
have  either exercised  the  opportunity  to negotiate  facilities                                                              
access  or  gone   with  stand-alone  facilities.   The  overlying                                                              
picture  is  that  there  really   haven't  been  any  significant                                                              
discoveries  since the  report was  written.  Both Nikaitchuq  and                                                              
Oooguruk had  been discovered, so  there hasn't been a  great test                                                              
of  this  because no  one  is  knocking  on  the door  wanting  to                                                              
produce oil through the facilities. It's a sad situation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He said  the report  was helpful in  getting the discussion  going                                                              
and everyone recognizes  that the opportunity does  exist and that                                                              
the  owner   companies  are   willing  to   discuss  it.   BP,  in                                                              
particular, has said they would work terms with anyone.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI   said  this   year  is   a  good   one  for                                                              
exploration with  a number  of new companies  coming in  and asked                                                              
if a framework  is in place.  Did he have any  recommendations for                                                              
this  session?  And  if  someone   made  a  discovery,  could  the                                                              
facilities handle them now?                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH replied  that he  would  hesitate to  answer the  first                                                              
question at this  point. There are incentives in  place for people                                                              
to invest  in their own  facilities; he  didn't know if  the state                                                              
had weighed in in  terms of incentives for access  to them. He was                                                              
more in  favor of incentives than  regulations to force  people to                                                              
cooperate.   But   for   the   second   question   about   current                                                              
capabilities, one  good example is  Badami (BP) that  doesn't have                                                              
oil  but  has  great facilities  that  are  capable  of  producing                                                              
35,000  barrels  of  oil  a  day; it  has  gone  one  step  beyond                                                              
facilities  access and  has tried  to attract  exploration. It  is                                                              
good to  see that Savant  and ASRC have  partnered to  explore and                                                              
develop that area.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:14:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH said  the more  common  situation is  going to  be                                                              
like the  one Senator  Wielechowski pointed out  where you  have a                                                              
liquids  and gas  stressed  facility and  a  new development  near                                                              
that facility.  In order for  the new development  to get  its oil                                                              
into  that facility  the  owner would  have  to back  out some  of                                                              
their own oil, and  that gets complex. But he had  just heard from                                                              
operators on the  North Slope that the one place  it is working is                                                              
CPF3.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH added  that Pioneer  is bringing  Oooguruk oil  through                                                              
CPF 3.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  said CPF  3 gets  gas stressed  in the  summer and                                                              
shuts off Oooguruk's oil then. It's a difficult arrangement.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:16:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WALSH agreed  and added  that  calculating the  value of  the                                                              
backed-out  oil  is  a  key  negotiating  point.  Any  constrained                                                              
facility will have the same problem.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Other  challenges  were  addressing   system  dynamics  -  finding                                                              
constraints and  opportunities -  and maintaining a  high standard                                                              
of  operational integrity  when  new producers  want  to access  a                                                              
facility.  The  very  capable producers  and  operators  that  are                                                              
working up  there now are challenged  to keep up with  some issues                                                              
with  aging  facilities,  so  bringing   in  new  operators  is  a                                                              
challenge.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  said reconciling  conflicting  asset valuations  is one                                                              
of the costs  of facilities access or capital  recovery. The value                                                              
of the  capital equipment that  is associated with  the production                                                              
of the  third party producer's oil  as well as  future investments                                                              
in that  capital to  accommodate their  production are  all issues                                                              
that  need to  be negotiated,  Mr.  Walsh said.  He provided  some                                                              
examples  not  in  the  packet;   one  was  the  Pioneer  Oooguruk                                                              
processing at CPF  3 in the Kuparuk River Unit, a  good example of                                                              
a contract  that was negotiated  between two parties  successfully                                                              
and allowed  Pioneer to  very quickly  turn around development  of                                                              
the Oooguruk field.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Another  example  of access  to  Prudhoe  Bay facilities  was  the                                                              
Ultrastar joinder  agreement; without it, because it  is too small                                                              
for construction  of stand-alone  facilities, bringing  production                                                              
on  at the  Ultrastar prospect  would have  been very  challenged.                                                              
ENI, on  the other  hand, has developed  the Nikaitchuq  field and                                                              
gone  with  stand-alone  production  facilities  and  is  bringing                                                              
pipeline quality  oil to  Kuparuk; that  decision was  educated by                                                              
commercial review  and looking  at other available  opportunities.                                                              
Mr. Walsh said,  in considering going into  constrained facilities                                                              
and potentially paying  back-outs, capital fees and  so forth, you                                                              
have  to  look  at  whether  it makes  sense  to  build  your  own                                                              
facilities. This  is an example of  where a company has  gone that                                                              
route.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:19:20 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WAGONER  asked if company A  is an explorer and  comes up                                                              
with  a well  with  commercial production,  how  do they  evaluate                                                              
whether  it's  worth it  to  them  to build  their  own  treatment                                                              
facility or enter  into negotiations with, and maybe  pay for, the                                                              
retrofitting of an existing facility to put that oil through.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  answered that it is  very dependent on  that companies'                                                              
commercial  terms -  their cost  of capital and  their target  IRR                                                              
and  so forth.  It's very  difficult for  an outsider  to do  that                                                              
review.  He was sure  ENI did  a diligent  commercial analysis  to                                                              
determine they wanted to go stand-alone.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  asked if these  water and gas issues  are unique                                                              
to Alaska or are  they in other parts of the  world. Is it Alaska-                                                              
specific in any way.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  answered that  the production  characteristics  and the                                                              
increase  in  natural  gas production  or  water  production  with                                                              
barrels  of oil  is not  unique  to Alaska.  That  is very  common                                                              
throughout  the  world  in  oil  and  gas  production.  There  are                                                              
varying  grades of  oil in the  various basins  around the  world.                                                              
Some  areas have  waxy  oil or  tar-rich oil;  there  are lots  of                                                              
different   constraints.   The   production   characteristics   of                                                              
Alaska's oil  are very good and  Alaska is not unique  in terms of                                                              
having to deal  with increasing amounts of cycling  gas and water.                                                              
However, it  is a bit  unique in terms  of the cost  of developing                                                              
assets on the North Slope.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Another example  that really hasn't  been finalized yet  is Brooks                                                              
Range  Petroleum that  has a  significant lease  hold position  on                                                              
the  North  Slope  and  has  been   aggressively  exploring  their                                                              
acreage and  acquiring new.  They have  leaned toward  stand-alone                                                              
facilities,  although   they  have   an  interest  in   discussing                                                              
facilities  sharing  if  the  terms are  right.  Their  model  for                                                              
development  of   their  assets   has  been  based   on  satellite                                                              
production facilities  and trying to create facilities  that would                                                              
be shared  by a number  of producers.  The processing  would occur                                                              
there  and then  pipeline  quality  oil would  be  brought to  the                                                              
common  carriers. Brooks  Petroleum  doesn't  have any  commercial                                                              
production,  yet,  but maybe  soon.  They are  very  knowledgeable                                                              
about  the  whole  process  of  facilities  access  and  have  the                                                              
ability to negotiate terms as they see fit.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He summarized that  evaluation of facilities sharing  must be done                                                              
on  a  case-by-case basis  and  each  company  has to  figure  out                                                              
whether  it  makes  sense  for   them  to  begin  the  negotiation                                                              
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:25:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WALSH  said he  asked  the  operators  and owners  what  they                                                              
thought the  benefits would be to  them in facilities  sharing. In                                                              
most  cases, the  response  was  they always  knew  they would  be                                                              
facility  constrained  eventually  and  at  some  point  would  be                                                              
actively  marketing  access to  those  facilities,  and they  were                                                              
very much in  favor of creating an environment  where people would                                                              
come to them.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
They were also  asked what they wanted potential  third parties to                                                              
know and  the response was to  let people know what  assets exist,                                                              
where there  might be  existing capacity and  what terms  would be                                                              
if oil  has to  be backed  out -  and to get  the information  out                                                              
there. This  process educated people  on what the issues  were and                                                              
allowed  for more of  an open  dialogue. The  quick response  from                                                              
the operators  to the question  of identifying existing  or future                                                              
excess capacity  was that  they are constrained  in most  of their                                                              
assets. So there  would be back-outs in lots of  cases. But Badami                                                              
was a  case in point  of a 35,000  barrel a day capacity  facility                                                              
that had no flow at the time.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Finally  he said  they  asked  the process  for  and  the cost  of                                                              
gaining access and  those answers were what got  folded into their                                                              
guideline  information  and  merged  with what  was  gleaned  from                                                              
other facilities sharing arrangements around the world.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:30:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WALSH  explained  his  graph of  production  in  Alaska  that                                                              
accompanied   his  presentation.   Another  map   was  of   recent                                                              
exploration activity  on the North Slope produced  by the Division                                                              
of  Oil  and  Gas.  Other  slides   showed  units  and  processing                                                              
facilities  and  pipelines  that  were  spread  across  the  North                                                              
Slope.  He  said   another  study  was  done  on   the  break-over                                                              
geographically  for  determining  whether building  a  stand-alone                                                              
facility  was more  practical than  accessing existing  facilities                                                              
and  they  found  anything  beyond  25  miles  from  a  production                                                              
facility was that  point. You might at least  partially process it                                                              
at the site and  then send one or two phase  production. He showed                                                              
a schematic of flow in a basic production facility.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:34:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN  asked him  to  provide  the  key points  and  a                                                              
summary.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:35:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WALSH hurried  on to another slide on pipeline  capacities and                                                              
projected  field production  saying the  key point  was that  they                                                              
know  there   is  room   in  the   oil  transport  pipelines   and                                                              
particularly  in  TAPS.  That  is not  where  the  constraint  is.                                                              
Rather,  it is  the  gas  and water  handling  in  the fields.  He                                                              
showed a  slide on  TAPS pipeline  specifications (the  quality of                                                              
oil that has to  be produced before going into TAPS).  He said for                                                              
the most  part all  of the  pipelines  on the North  Slope at  the                                                              
2004  timeframe looked  like they  would currently  have room  for                                                              
oil transport  or would  in the  very near  future. Another  slide                                                              
showed constraints  of existing  fields and facilities  and showed                                                              
that everything was  near full or expected to be  at capacity with                                                              
the exception of Badami.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH said  the  key components  that  go into  the costs  of                                                              
facilities  access are sharing  the capital  cost of the  original                                                              
asset  and then  the operating  costs of  processing the  liquids,                                                              
and the  back out which  could range from  2 to 50 percent  (a key                                                              
component).  Another schematic production  profile showed  typical                                                              
base production  of all the  oil produced  on the North  Slope; he                                                              
said it's  critical to  maximize that  base production  along with                                                              
the satellite  stream of  fluids (high quality  and not  needing a                                                              
lot of  processing) and that  is what the  operators on  the North                                                              
Slope  are doing. The  profile showed  windows  of oil that  would                                                              
have to be  backed out, when  a satellite field starts  to decline                                                              
and  the  high  water  cut  barrels   that  get  brought  back  in                                                              
(deferred production).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:39:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WAGONER  asked if  they have to  go through AOGCC  to get                                                              
permission to reduce  production of certain wells  when they start                                                              
that process.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH answered  this happens on a daily basis  and they have a                                                              
"choke model" that  shows which wells should be  flowing and which                                                              
ones  should not.  If a well  is shut-in  the Alaska  Oil and  Gas                                                              
Conservation   Commission   (AOGCC)   would   be   notified.   The                                                              
philosophy  behind  facilities sharing  is  getting  the best  oil                                                              
into   the   system.  Another   slide   presented   the   "guiding                                                              
principles"  for facilities  access and what  should be  addressed                                                              
between negotiating parties.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In  summary,  he   said  facility  owners  and   independents  are                                                              
generally  supportive  of facilities  sharing,  and  the value  of                                                              
facilities  sharing is dependent  on proximity  of production  and                                                              
the  characteristics of  the  oil to  be processed.    A means  of                                                              
motivation exists  to implement facilities sharing  agreements and                                                              
no  oil is  currently  being held  up  due to  facilities  sharing                                                              
issues that he knew  of. The only oil that may  be held up because                                                              
of  constraints  is  the  base  production  oil  that  would  only                                                              
accelerate  the  decline  curve   if  it  were  produced  quicker.                                                              
Finally,  more   transparency  and   more  discoveries   would  be                                                              
helpful, along  with more oil  and people  coming to knock  at the                                                              
door of the operators and asking for access.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:43:40 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN thanked  Mr. Walsh and announced an  at ease from                                                              
4:43 to 4:43:52 p.m.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^North Slope Facilities Capacities and Expansion Technologies                                                               
^New Developments in Upstream Oil and Gas                                                                                   
               North Slope Facilities Capacities                                                                            
                 and Expansion and Technologies                                                                             
            New Developments in Upstream Oil and Gas                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
4:44:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  announced the  next order  of business  would be                                                              
comments from  Bill Barron,  the director of  the Division  of Oil                                                              
and Gas.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:45:09 PM                                                                                                                    
BILL  BARRON, Director,  Division of  Oil and  Gas, Department  of                                                              
Natural  Resources  (DNR),  said  that  was  a  good  overview  of                                                              
facilities  sharing by Mr.  Walsh. His  presentation would  try to                                                              
put some  actual production  data  for the committee  so they  can                                                              
have  a dialogue  about how  the concepts  for facilities  sharing                                                              
are impacted by actual production and reservoir management.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN  thanked  the  division for  responding  to  his                                                              
questions back  in June and those  answers were included  in their                                                              
packets.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:46:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BARRON said  he included an appendix which has  all the slides                                                              
of  production   data,  but  this  presentation   is  trimmed  for                                                              
expediency and  dialogue. The first  slide was of the  Prudhoe Bay                                                              
Unit in  terms of oil  and NGLs in  green and water  production in                                                              
blue. He  said this  was very  typical exhibit  of what  one would                                                              
expect  to  see  in  an  oil  reservoir   that  has  "water  drive                                                              
mechanism," which  means you have  naturally occurring  water from                                                              
the edge  or the base  of the reservoir  moving in support  of the                                                              
pressure of the  reservoir and a field that is  under water flood.                                                              
The curve  was a fairly flat  plateau after an  initial production                                                              
and  decline. The  inverse is  true  of the  water -  very low  up                                                              
front and then increasing over time.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRON said  the next graph was of the total  fluid versus the                                                              
total  liquids (all  water and  all  oils combined),  and what  he                                                              
wanted to show  was that over time, especially  since January 2001                                                              
to  date,   total  fluid  production   through  Prudhoe   Bay  was                                                              
essentially  the same with  some wild  variations due  to facility                                                              
upsets  or seasonality,  but  part of  their  discussion with  the                                                              
general public  is that it was at  2 million barrels and  now it's                                                              
at  600,000. Clearly  there  is excess  capacity.  The problem  is                                                              
that processing facilities are at capacity.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that at the outset  of a facilities  design process,                                                              
engineers will work  with their reservoir counterparts  to try and                                                              
get  an idea  of  how big  the  field  is and  what  kind of  flow                                                              
capacities it  will have, and they  will design a  facility around                                                              
those initial  concepts. For example,  if you build a  facility to                                                              
handle 1,000 barrels  a day when you first bring  it on, you might                                                              
have 900  barrels of oil  and 100 barrels  of water.  Twenty years                                                              
into the  life, you now  have 100 barrels  of oil and  900 barrels                                                              
of  water.  You're  still at  facility  capacity,  because  you're                                                              
still  processing the  same amount  of  fluid. That  is a  natural                                                              
dynamic of  the field;  in some  fields it's  more rapid  and some                                                              
are slower.  Typically  oil fields  begin at  their outset  as oil                                                              
fields  and at  the end  of  their life  they  become world  class                                                              
water processing plants.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Two  combined curves  on page  2 illustrated  the water/oil  ratio                                                              
(how  much water  is  brought in  with the  oil)  and the  gas/oil                                                              
ratio (GOR). Mr.  Barron said the oil/water ratio  at inception at                                                              
Prudhoe  Bay was  incredibly  low,  "essentially  zero." It's  now                                                              
approaching  4/1  (80 percent  water  cut).  That tells  him  that                                                              
there  is still  robust life  left in  the field  in terms of  oil                                                              
production; you're  just having to  manage water at a  much higher                                                              
volume. In  terms of  the gas, as  reservoir pressure  drops, more                                                              
gas  breaks  out  of  the oil,  which  increases  your  oiled  gas                                                              
recovery, which begins to compound the problem.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Another problem  in mature  fields is that  water is  heavier than                                                              
oil, and  as fluids  are produced  out of a  reservoir, if  you do                                                              
not  put  enough  fluid  back  in,   your  natural  pressure  will                                                              
decrease. The  more that  you lose  reservoir pressure  the harder                                                              
it is to extract  the oil out of the reservoir,  because you still                                                              
have to  lift it out. At  the initial phase  of a field,  you have                                                              
"free flow"  without artificial lift.  There are various  means of                                                              
artificial  lift:  injecting gas  inside  the tubing  (gas  lift),                                                              
pumps, rod or jet pumps, rocking horses - to name a few.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRON  next showed  a diagram  of the GOR  at Prudhoe  Bay by                                                              
facility  (flow stations),  that showed  facilities located  where                                                              
the oil  is regionally  from. He  explained "regionally"  in terms                                                              
of maybe  a well is  more affected by  water flood and  that means                                                              
it's not necessarily  in the gas  cap and would have a  lower GOR.                                                              
But the  water/oil ratio would probably  be higher, because  it is                                                              
affected more  by the  water flood.   Conversely, maybe  the wells                                                              
that   the  next   two  pump   stations  are   working  from   are                                                              
predominantly  within the  gas cap,  near it  or affected  by much                                                              
more gas cycling  effort. And the conundrum for  shared facilities                                                              
becomes where  is the  third party  coming into  and what  kind of                                                              
product  is he  bringing. This  gets into  the incredible  dynamic                                                              
issue  of reservoir  management. Both  of the  major operators  on                                                              
the   North   Slope  have   incredibly   sophisticated   numerical                                                              
simulations that  they run on a  very routine basis. They  look at                                                              
where they  think wells will  begin to  "gas out" or  "water out."                                                              
They then plan  their work-over programs, their  drilling programs                                                              
and their  shut-in programs  to minimize the  impact of  the water                                                              
or the gas fronts  as they come into those areas.  To work through                                                              
that  in  a  facility sharing  program  gets  even  more  dynamic,                                                              
because they  will probably  have to  back-out wells  prematurely,                                                              
and that  could have a significant  "knock on effect"  on ultimate                                                              
recovery,  which is  where  the Alaska  Oil  and Gas  Conservation                                                              
Commission  (AOGCC)  would step  in  and walk  through  everyone's                                                              
understanding of how they will get the oil back.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:56:08 PM                                                                                                                    
He  said that  Kuparuk  has a  very  similar  response to  Prudhoe                                                              
Bay's in  terms of declining  and plateauing production  and total                                                              
liquids  versus  water injection,  but  the Kuparuk  reservoir  is                                                              
separate   and   very   different    in   terms   of   its   fluid                                                              
characteristics.  For  example its  GOR  is just  now  at about  2                                                              
whereas Prudhoe  Bay is at  about 25. Part  of that is  because of                                                              
all the  gas cycling  that has  been going  on and  part of  it is                                                              
directly associated  with what kind of  oil it is. Kuparuk  oil is                                                              
less gassy  and a completely different  quality of crude  than oil                                                              
in Prudhoe  Bay. These  are the  dynamics companies  have  to deal                                                              
with  in   designing  facilities  and   how  to  work   in  shared                                                              
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRON  said everything  in  Prudhoe Bay  in general is  full,                                                              
either because  of gas handling  issues or water  handling issues.                                                              
Badami  is open; the  Pioneer and  ENI operations  also have  some                                                              
capacity.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:58:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN asked him to define "full" in layman's terms.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRON explained  that flow from any individual  well and flow                                                              
through a facility  are a little bit different.  The flow capacity                                                              
of a well  is going to be defined  by the energy of  the reservoir                                                              
and/or the introduction  of an artificial lift  system. A facility                                                              
that is  capacity-limited has  either too much  water or  too much                                                              
gas  to put  in any  more  oil. If  the  facility processes  1,000                                                              
barrels a  day; the wells  have to flow  to the flow  stations and                                                              
if the  facility can only  handle 1,000  barrels a day,  they have                                                              
to figure out  which wells they can produce relative  to reservoir                                                              
management.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:00:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH  said  from an  operator's  perspective  it  means                                                              
something is  going to pop; you're  at the physical limits  of the                                                              
plant.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRON agreed  and said "debottlenecking" is  an industry term                                                              
for modifying a plant to remove more fluid.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  said debottlenecking is  a key word and  they need                                                              
to  find out  what is  really constraining  new oil  on the  North                                                              
Slope  and if  either a  tax change  or an  investment change  can                                                              
make a difference to the pipeline.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  new  oil is  found  on the  North                                                              
Slope, would the current facilities be able to handle it.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRON  answered  not  the   production  facilities  but  the                                                              
pipeline could.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PASKVAN said  to  get to  the pipeline  you  have to  go                                                              
through the facility.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRON said that wasn't correct.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  modified his statement saying if  the oil didn't                                                              
need treating  it could go  directly into  any of the  oil transit                                                              
lines on the North Slope.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  how  often you  get  100 percent  oil                                                              
coming out of the ground.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRON  replied you very rarely  get it at inception,  but you                                                              
would design  your own  stand-alone processing  facility  for your                                                              
own benefit and then ship the oil to the oil transit lines.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if new  oil was discovered  at Prudhoe                                                              
Bay or Kuparuk  is it fair to  say that very little  would make it                                                              
to the  pipeline because  the processing  facilities simply  can't                                                              
handle dealing  with the  gas and  water that is  likely to  be in                                                              
the total composition.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:03:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BARRON replied  if the  requirement was  for that  oil to  go                                                              
through the existing  facilities, it would not make  it in. But it                                                              
is not a requirement for development.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH said  chances are if they found new  oil at Prudhoe                                                              
Bay  or Kuparuk  it's  going to  be  lower GOR  oil  than what  is                                                              
currently in those facilities and they would make room for it.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRON replied that would be correct.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH said  no one is going to drill a  well on the North                                                              
Slope and expect  to get it in the pipeline without  going through                                                              
a production facility.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRON  replied that was correct,  but it wouldn't  have to go                                                              
through the  existing facilities. They  would have to  build their                                                              
own stand-alone facility.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:05:22 PM                                                                                                                    
He  said   the  next  series  of   slides  was  relative   to  new                                                              
technologies.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN  said it might  be better  to do that  on another                                                              
day and he would certainly accommodate his schedule.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WAGONER asked if  there is  a point  at which  a company                                                              
would decide  to try to go  into existing facilities and  share it                                                              
because of the size of their discovery.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRON answered  that he  would have  to think  about that  a                                                              
little bit,  because some of this  gets back to  corporate culture                                                              
and how a company  wants to develop its property.  If it's a small                                                              
amount,  they might  try  to  shoehorn it  in.  If  it's big,  the                                                              
likelihood is that  they would do their own facility.  Some of the                                                              
new  ideas are  truck-able  modules  that are  small  in terms  of                                                              
overall  size  that  can  be bundled  together  and  brought  onto                                                              
location fairly quickly.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:07:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH asked  how  heavy oil  fits  into the  facilities-                                                              
constrained  on  the North  Slope,  particularly  with respect  to                                                              
Milne Point, which is where BP is doing its CHOPS program.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRON  replied  the  interesting   thing  about  heavy  oil,                                                              
especially  the CHOPS, is  to move  it into  the pipeline  it will                                                              
have its  own stand-alone  facility, because  a tremendous  amount                                                              
of sand  will be  brought up  with the oil.   So  the sand  has to                                                              
drop  out of the  system into  its own  vessels;  the oil then  is                                                              
still very  viscous and has  to be blended  with a  diluent, which                                                              
is the current  production of the  North Slope. In other  words, a                                                              
lighter  crude is  then blended  with the  heavy crude  to get  to                                                              
where it  can be moved  into the transit  lines and into  TAPS. So                                                              
there is  a really  need for overall  project integration  for the                                                              
successful  completion of  the CHOPS  program  across Milne  Point                                                              
that  needs a blend  of the  two crudes  to get  into the  overall                                                              
system downstream.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI   said  he  heard  today  that   no  oil  is                                                              
currently being held  up due to facilities sharing  issues, but he                                                              
has also  heard just the opposite  over the years  especially from                                                              
the  smaller independents.  It would  be  extremely expensive  for                                                              
them to build  facilities of their  own. He asked if he  had heard                                                              
otherwise and  also if  he thought  statutory changes  were needed                                                              
on facilities sharing.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRON  replied that he  didn't know of  any oil that  has not                                                              
been  allowed  in the  line  or  is being  held  up. He  knows  of                                                              
healthy  robust  discussions  by  many players  in  terms  of  the                                                              
complexity of facility  sharing. The division is  encouraging them                                                              
to not necessarily  think about process facility  sharing but more                                                              
in  terms  of overall  facility  sharing  including  roads,  pads,                                                              
power,  people,   camps  and  things  that  can   minimize  costs,                                                              
decrease  the   cost  to  a   new  player  and   maximize  overall                                                              
throughput  from all  the North  Slope. He  didn't see  a need  to                                                              
make any statutory  changes to facility sharing.  It's too dynamic                                                              
and it's a very difficult issue.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PASKVAN thanked  both Mr. Walsh and Mr.  Barron for their                                                              
presentations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:12:08 PM                                                                                                                    
Finding no further business to come before the Senate Resources                                                                 
Standing Committee, Co-Chair Paskvan adjourned the meeting at                                                                   
5:12 p.m.